LOL my DH made a comment when I said about 8.5 being "Old" I guess I used the term Old because the website said they don't offer patches for it anymore since it is "older" due to them already being up too 11! I may have to upgrade. We use it a lot for DH's business and he has even learned quite a bit on it. Trying to switch him to somethign else would confuse him too much. But I can't use it right now how it is with it shutting down on us all the time......so I guess maybe we will be upgrading.

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