oh there's so much about ps i don't know!! i can make it do things, but usually the hard way. hey, i'm here to learn too! and if you think i'm a guru then whew! i leave that to people like suzanne (gibbous) who seem to "get" photoshop! i just coexist with it. and love it and want to marry it, but i don't always "get" it. hmmm, sounds like someone i know....